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Feb 23, 2016 at 1:08 comment added Paul @HostileFork I think the lined paper thing is more because children lack fine motor control. When I was learning Japanese, I didn't really need big lined paper like I did as a child learning Roman letters.
Feb 22, 2016 at 20:15 history edited HostileFork says dont trust SE CC BY-SA 3.0
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Feb 22, 2016 at 11:27 comment added Mari-Lou A The stacked books icon is plain ugly, cold, impersonal and, don't ask me why, but it looks like two hotdogs one on top of another. I say scrap the E logo, keep the colour scheme, and the cute wallpaper theme but change the font, or create a new logo.
Feb 21, 2016 at 23:58 comment added HostileFork says dont trust SE @CollenV Adults coming from a language with a different character set and having to learn the Latin alphabet might well use lined paper. (So one could argue that makes it more international.) Anyway, you can't pack every part of a message into a single logo that fits in a favicon. There's a globe and laptop in the "theme" suggested. I'm just suggesting the gray-E-with-bookmark does not perform in this icon lineup (I don't think it performs more generally myself, but contextualized it's easier to see). So I'd suggest to keep looking with that focus, if it were me.
Feb 21, 2016 at 23:43 comment added ColleenV I could explain why floppy disks still mean "save", but it would take more characters than I have :) My point is that the graphic doesn't communicate what I think ELL is about. Our learners are adults, and I associate penmanship and that ruled writing line with children. We're digital and I associate cursive with analog. We're collaborative and penmanship is something you practice solo. I think grade school type graphics make ELL seem like it's only for basic questions. I just wish there was some way to capture our international flavor - there is so much diversity even among native speakers.
Feb 21, 2016 at 23:33 comment added HostileFork says dont trust SE @ColleenV For better or worse, icons are abstractions (people ask "what will cartoons with an idea have over their heads when there are no incandescent bulbs?"...or "why would floppy disks mean "save", especially when I've thrown away all the ones I had"). So being a site about penmanship isn't really so much the point--and a book-form allusion isn't digital. Anyway, there's no arguments in matters of taste--but I think this is about more than just "looking" better"--data can be gathered about what a graphic communicates or doesn't.
Feb 21, 2016 at 23:26 comment added ColleenV I'm not really a fan of this E - ELL is completely digital and we're not talking about penmanship, so I just don't think a cursive E fits the idea of the site. The stacked dictionaries make a lot more sense to me even though this seems better as an Icon. I think I'd rather see some play on ELL similar to the UL logo.
Feb 21, 2016 at 17:26 history edited HostileFork says dont trust SE CC BY-SA 3.0
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Feb 21, 2016 at 15:36 comment added HostileFork says dont trust SE @J.R. Thanks. I actually at first used the original color scheme, then switched to sepia because it looked a little better I thought...but gray is certainly possible too. Design is an iterative process, things get designed and then re-designed, so the work is never done even when it's done. :-)
Feb 21, 2016 at 15:32 history edited HostileFork says dont trust SE CC BY-SA 3.0
I actually went with sepia for the uploaded image
Feb 21, 2016 at 11:26 comment added J.R. Mod I wonder also if the two concepts could be combined, i.e., something along these lines. Such a design might allow for your tidy and inviting 64x64 icon, yet retain much of the original idea.
Feb 21, 2016 at 10:59 comment added J.R. Mod It's a latecomer to the dance, but it has my upvote. I just wonder if the designer is willing to go that far back to the drawing board.
Feb 21, 2016 at 4:04 history answered HostileFork says dont trust SE CC BY-SA 3.0