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So we have a user, user2208439, who appears to be working through an entire program specification document, as seen in his series of questions relating to "The system"...

Is 'lose' correct in this context?

What is a better word instead of 'set' in this context?

Is this sentence right?

etc.

Individually the questions are of varying interest (they don't strike me as outright bad questions, at least), but the series makes it appear that we are being asked, one or two sentences at a time, to proofread / correct his document.

Is there something we should be doing about this? Someplace else we should send him for whole-document review, or a better way for him to request such a thing?

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    Good catch. Didn't even notice it's the same person asking all the proofreading questions. – EnglishLearner Apr 3 '13 at 19:24
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    Not just that,He has a rant too about ELL here meta.ell.stackexchange.com/questions/450/… – Thor Apr 3 '13 at 19:36
  • As everyone knows, there are many resources to help people learn English, and with the Internet zillions more of varying quality and cost. ELL is a great resource for specific issues, but it is not a substitute for formal instruction. Nor an easy out to avoid research or doing ones homework. But free is free, and an outsider can take advantage of that. But rather than pick on an individual, its better to take actions that are already available, as Matt mentions in his answer. – user485 Apr 3 '13 at 20:36
  • In my opinion, if a question is obviously not written from the perspective of learning English, just don't answer it. Comment as to the reason or downvote and the message will eventually get across. – user485 Apr 3 '13 at 20:37
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Thanks for raising this issue. It's an issue that is quite foremost in the minds of the moderators at the moment.

Firstly, I'd like to point out that user2208439 is by no means the first or the only user to post large numbers of questions in a short period of time, and that I'd like to keep my post to being about the question of serial posting of low quality questions in the general case, rather than commenting on any one particular user.

Secondly, I'd like to split the issue into a couple of sub issues:

  1. The questions are about the same topic or document.
  2. What to do about low quality questions
  3. What to do about new users posting large numbers of questions

1. The questions are about the same topic or from the same document

To my mind, this issue is fairly irrelevant, so long as the user's questions are sufficiently distinct to avoid duplication. I don't care if you're asking for help about the text from 19th century classic fiction or from a technical specification or from anything in between. Whether your question is a good fit for ELL is (to my mind) largely irrelevant of where you got the text from in the first place.

2. What to do about low quality questions

In my opinion, this is an issue that needs to be driven from within the community, and is not something that can (or should) be solved by the executive decree of moderators (particularly unelected moderators). My personal feeling is that moderators should keep as light a touch as possible when it comes to closing questions without having a clear mandate from the community to do so.

What we need is for you, the community, to lead the way on this:

  • If you see a question that you feel doesn't belong here - flag it, or vote to close. It is easier for a moderator to take action against a user with lots of very negatively scored or closed questions than to take action against a user with lots of medium-scored questions.

  • If you see a question that does belong here, but is low quality - vote it down and leave a comment. This gives useful feedback to the user, gives them a little kick in the reputation, and allows both the OP and the moderators to see that the community doesn't like the way the OP is asking the question. This also helps make it clear that if and when a moderator does close down the question that he or she does so with the backing of the community, and isn't being heavy-handed.

  • If you see a question that is borderline off-topic for ELL, or which you feel should be off-topic for ELL, ask a meta-question. A consensus on meta gives your close-votes more weight, and can solve the dispute of whether a borderline question is on, or off-topic for ELL.

3. What to do about new users who post lots of comments

Firstly, there are already some tools in place:

My personal feeling here is that going by the "50 questions in a 30 day period is too high" rule, that "6 questions a day" is probably too high a ceiling for new users, and that perhaps as a community we should be insisting on a lower limit (say 3 a day, and no more than 15 in the first week or something) - but the point is that there is a already a mechanism in place to prevent excessive posting of questions.

Summary

In brief - ELL is your community, and it runs on your rules. If you think a user is being abusive, flag it. If you don't like a question - downvote it (or vote to close).

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I am looking for people to review paragraphs of the scientific article I am writing. I am ready to proofread other's paragraphs in return. Had I been a native english speaker, the evident solution would be the writers.stackexchange.com.

But I am not a native english speaker. The closest possibility is to post serial questions here at ell.stackexchange.com like this user @user2208439 did, conforming to @Matt's answer.

I hence just asked for the creation of writers.ell.stackexchange.com or similar on http://area51.stackexchange.com; please tell me if I am wrong.

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Perhaps we can refer such users to lang-8.com, which will do a lot more for this specific problem than this site (on lang-8 you write a document, then native speakers review it, and in exchange you review documents in your own native language). There are probably many other similar resources. Then if the user still has a question AFTER an edit that question is probably sufficiently interesting and broadly applicable to go to the site proper.

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